I actually don't have anything substantive to say. But since I often read your posts and not comment or say thank you (but I usually upvoted), so for once I would like to say thank you for your interesting, stimulating, and often important work!

Thank you for the clarifcation! And thanks for engaging in the conversation!

Thanks for the reply!

it would make sense to focus on layers in the Middle East until hitting diminishing returns there. 

I wonder why you hold this view. It seems to me that for the caged layer issue, it's a reversion problem because the vast majority of laying hens in the Middle East are already caged, while for the caged broiler issue, it can still be seen as a prevention problem because many broilers are still not yet in caged systems. And it seems to me that it's plausible that a prevention might be easier and more effective than a reversion?

Thank you for the post! I have a question.

3. Cage-free farming in the Middle East

I wonder if this org, if incubated, might potentially expand to the issue of caged broiler farming?

We should prioritize slowing the spread of industrial animal agriculture in future high-production regions over investing in advocacy in currently high-production regions that remain neglected in terms of farmed animal advocacy.

I support this, I gave an EAGx (Singapore) talk basically arguing for this (maybe a more general point, that we should focus much more on prevention)

Thank you for the post. I have a follow-up question which I hope you or Givewell can answer: Do Givewell also give cage systems to people in need, or teach them how to use cages, or both? I am asking because I have seen livelihood projects that do one of these. If my memory is not wrong, they include FAO, World Bank, the Dutch Government, and Heifer (yes, they don't just give cows, they give chickens too and teach them how to use cage systems).

Hi Cameron, 

Did you see Chytrid Fungal Infection and Frog Welfare — EA Forum?

It would be great if you can respond to it too.

Thank you very much for writing the post. Albeit unsurprising, it's somewhat disheartening to see this post being much less popular than the frog slaughter one. I have to say excluding tractability, I probably care about this issue than frog slaughter more.  

Do you have a sense of the tractability (which includes making enough people care about this) of this issue, and what can be done to increase it? 

Hi Lewis, this podcast interview, and the match fund is really exciting. I learned many new things in this.

I wonder if you have plans to touch more on fish welfare. And is it possible that you can touch on invertebrate welfare (despite it being out of scope now for OP)?

We discuss two contradictory views about factory farming that produce the same conclusion: that its end is either inevitable or impossible.

Usually when I say anything to you it's about practical stuff, but this time it's going to be pedantic, please excuse me this time.

I think strictly speaking contradictory statements can't be both false (and of course can't be both true). And these two statements can be both false, and I think they are indeed both false (as you pointed out clearly). 

I think statements that can't be both true but can be both false are called contrary statements? (I only studied logic in Chinese so I am not sure).

Thank you for suggesting that you are willing to support a potential solution to this. 

This gave me an idea, maybe if enough of us signaling that we are willing to donate/work/volunteer for this potential new charity, we can make it come true?

I am certainly willing to allocate the majority (see update below) of my next years' donations to this potential charity (or this year, if this charity can come this fast), and provide free advisory service to it. 

UPDATE: On reflection, maybe it was too quick a decision to pledge that it should be the "majority" of my next years donations before further investigations on other alternatives. But I am very sure it will be significant (if this charity do come into existence).